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In comp.sys.nsc.32k article <[e-mail]>, you wrote:
:It sure would be great if my PC at home were on the internet.  I'm
:sure this must be possible, since there are plenty of smallish
:businesses on the internet.  However, a perusal of the documents at
:nic.ddn.mil shows only how to launch a new network, which requires
:divine intervention from a government agency, and is definitely of a
:grander scale than what I have in mind.

You have a few choices:

1) find a site that is already on the Internet and bum a SLIP gateway off of
the host.  More on this later.

2) Be assigned a new address in the namespace.  This is what you saw on
nic.ddn.mil.... mega bucks, and you still have to obtain a network *link*
(more bucks).

3) Go uucp.  This is cheap, cost effective, and easy.

:I'm hoping that someone out there who's done this can tell me how to
:go about getting assigned an internet address, and what kind of
:physical connection they use and to where, and just how massive a
:financial outlay is required.  (Software is another issue, but I was
:going to worry about that later.)
:
:If this turns out to be impossible, I figure I'll settle for news and
:mail via uucp.  I know one way to do this, which is to get in contact
:with one of the sites on the NIXPUB list.  If anybody knows a better
:way, I'd like to hear about it.
:
:And finally, if there is a more appropriate place to post this,
:please let me know.  (Intensive scrutiny of the list of active
:newgorups turned up none which really seemed right,  but these
:seemed slightly plausible.)
:
:Please mail replies to me, if there's interest I'll summarize.  Somewhere.
:
:Thanks,
:Dave Cottingham
:[e-mail]

A SLIP gateway is the most economical way to do this.  You find a host
willing to let you do it.  They will assign you an internet name and IP
number... something in their domain.  (cottingham.berkeley.edu?) ...  your
home machine will dial in and "log in" to this machine, which will establish
an Internet connection.  This is much easier if your home machine is a UNIX
machine.

This requires a modem on each end.  Higher speed modems are nicer but more
expensive.  It may also require a "router," if your home PC is not capable
of the hard work.  A router is a cheap dedicated computer running something
like pcroute.  This adds to the cost....

Finding a willing host is the harder part, though.

.... Joe

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From:    MX%"sungate![e-mail]" 16-JAN-1991 10:11:28.92
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Hello, Dave!

I got your article as follows:

> From: [e-mail] (Dave Cottingham)
> Newsgroups: comp.misc,comp.os.minix,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.unix.xenix.sco
> Subject: Q: how to make home PC an internet node?
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> Reply-To: [e-mail] (Dave Cottingham)
> Organization: University of California, Berkeley

> It sure would be great if my PC at home were on the internet.  I'm
> sure this must be possible, since there are plenty of smallish
> businesses on the internet.  However, a perusal of the documents at
> nic.ddn.mil shows only how to launch a new network, which requires
> divine intervention from a government agency, and is definitely of a
> grander scale than what I have in mind.

Depending on what type of PC you have, you can definitely get hooked
up to the net.  SCO produces a short version of UNIX (called Xenix)
which should satisfy your needs - a version is even available for
an 8088-XT based machine.

> I'm hoping that someone out there who's done this can tell me how to
> go about getting assigned an internet address, and what kind of
> physical connection they use and to where, and just how massive a
> financial outlay is required.  (Software is another issue, but I was
> going to worry about that later.)

Now, getting a true internet registration cannot be done under Xenix,
because it lacks some of the communications systems needed to perform
true internet connections.  From my experience, you need a minimum
386-based PC, with 2M RAM, at LEAST a 40MB hard drive, and SCO UNIX.

If you don't mind being in another domain, instead of having your own,
you don't need UNIX.  I, for example, have a machine called "sungate",
but I'm "in" the UUNET domain.  So, instead of being  [e-mail],
I am [e-mail]... makes no difference to me, but I'm
running Xenix, and that's just me.  Being in the UUNET domain as I am,
I still have full access to news and mail, and 24-hour support from
them for changes and problems.

Getting news and mail requires a minimum 286-PC, and SCO-Xenix with
a minimum of 20MB hard drive and 1M RAM.  If you want to store news
for a while, you should probably have more space.  I have 25 newsgroups
coming in here, and they require 10MB for two weeks storage.

If you just want mail access, you can do it on an 86-XT machine with
640K and as little as 10MB of hard drive space.  SCO's Xenix-86 will
do that job nicely.

If you have the hardware, the software reatils for about $400 from
SCO.  Send a message to [e-mail] for up-to-date pricing, and a
sales referral.

> If this turns out to be impossible, I figure I'll settle for news and
> mail via uucp.  I know one way to do this, which is to get in contact
> with one of the sites on the NIXPUB list.  If anybody knows a better
> way, I'd like to hear about it.

In any event, many people choose to hook up to a number of networks.  The
most popular of these is probably UUNET Communications in Fairfax, VA.
They offer a full news feed, mail service, FTP's and other services.  You
can reach them at  [e-mail]  for info; however, I can tell
you that, to become a uunet member costs $35/month plus $2/hour connect.
There is no setup charge.  UUNET can help you register a domain with all
the proper people.  This is provided free to members, and costs $35 for
non members.  The uunet postmaster can provide you with more info.

For me, I started out not knowing what "uucp" was, and learned everything
I know from SCO and UUNET.  I recommend you contact them; however, feel
free to re-contact me.  I'd be happy to help you get set up and, since
I'm in the uunet domain, I can get assistance from them for you very
quickly.  You can reach me again at   [e-mail] .

Hope this helps!


From:    MX%"[e-mail]" 16-JAN-1991 13:39:27.60
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Subject: Q: how to make home PC an internet node?

   It sure would be great if my PC at home were on the internet.  I'm
   sure this must be possible, since there are plenty of smallish
   businesses on the internet.  However, a perusal of the documents at
   nic.ddn.mil shows only how to launch a new network, which requires
   divine intervention from a government agency, and is definitely of a
   grander scale than what I have in mind.

Ok, I'll give it to you straight. Unless you're prepared to spend several thousand
dollars for hardware and pay connect costs to the telco of several hundred to several
thousand a month I won't get into it. If you are send email. 8-)

   If this turns out to be impossible, I figure I'll settle for news and
   mail via uucp.  I know one way to do this, which is to get in contact
   with one of the sites on the NIXPUB list.  If anybody knows a better
   way, I'd like to hear about it.

Easy enough. Run SCO Xenix on your PC along with smail 2.5 or smail3.1 and B or C news.
Get a connection with either UUNET or PSI. PSI runs about 75/month for unlimited news
mail etc.

   And finally, if there is a more appropriate place to post this,
   please let me know.  (Intensive scrutiny of the list of active
   newgorups turned up none which really seemed right,  but these
   seemed slightly plausible.)

Probably the right place since you have a PC and you'll be running something close
to what is used by most people who use this group.

--
Michael R. Johnston    [e-mail] || [e-mail]
System Administrator        UUCP:     uunet!slcpi!mjohnsto
Lehman Brothers Inc.        Phone:    [phone]
                  "Unix Uber Alles!"

From:    MX%"isishq!kesrith![e-mail]" 17-JAN-1991 03:09:11.54
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From: isishq!kesrith![e-mail] (Rick Beetham)
Subject: Q: how to make home PC an internet node?
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In <[e-mail]> (Dave Cottingham) writes:

> It sure would be great if my PC at home were on the internet.  I'm
> sure this must be possible, since there are plenty of smallish
> businesses on the internet.  However, a perusal of the documents at
> nic.ddn.mil shows only how to launch a new network, which requires
> divine intervention from a government agency, and is definitely of a
> grander scale than what I have in mind.
>
> I'm hoping that someone out there who's done this can tell me how to
> go about getting assigned an internet address, and what kind of
> physical connection they use and to where, and just how massive a
> financial outlay is required.  (Software is another issue, but I was
> going to worry about that later.)
>
> If this turns out to be impossible, I figure I'll settle for news and
> mail via uucp.  I know one way to do this, which is to get in contact
> with one of the sites on the NIXPUB list.  If anybody knows a better
> way, I'd like to hear about it.
> Thanks,
> Dave Cottingham
> [e-mail]

Dave,

Not sure if this fits exactly what you are looking for or not. Is it
that you don't know how to register your address or is it that you
don't know how to go about creating a site for yourself at home?

If it is the latter then I think it should be fairly straight
forward. I originally contacted UNIFORUM trying to just get access
to email & USENET News. Through my contacts there they put me in
contact with a local outfit (SKAN) who were working on a new
software product called DISTNET. I was fortunate enough to be
given an offer to become a Beta Tester for them, which has worked
out extremely well for me in that 1) I have developed a very good
friendship with Doug Thompson - without a doubt the driving force
behind the program and 2) NEWS and email access to the network via
my own PC. It is great!

I have heard of several products that are available for DOS machines
that will allow them to do this. DistNet is very similar to another
product called WAFFLE, I have downloaded WAFFLE and taken a look at
the documentation and found it very confusing and intimidating
(after having become used to DistNet) I have also heard of several
others called UUPC and I believe UULINK. DistNet is designed to be
simple to set up, simple to use and simple to maintain. The hardware
necessary to run the program can be very simple (even an XT) - I
myself started on a 286 with a hard-disk and a 2400 baud modem. I
think the weekest link is the modem 2400 baud is very very slow for
transfering a lot of mail and wish I could afford a telebit modem
for much faster transfers.

DistNet is now going into it's final stages of Beta Testing before
being released into the open arena. The whole key to setting up any
sort of "leaf node" as DistNet calls my PC is to have a host that is
already connected to the network and has email and news capability.
If you already have a host available then all you really need is a
PC with hard disk (if you are planning to get a lot of NEWS I
recommend planning 30 Megs of hard disk for it) and a fast modem
that can communicate with it (9600 HST, Telebit, etc).

As for the software itself I will let the introduction to the manual
talk for itself:
"DistNet is a subset implementation of unix uucp mail and news for
MS-DOS computers.  Its overall structure and operations will look
quite familiar to those experienced with unix uucp.

This version of DistNet is designed to enable a DOS PC to become a
uucp site and interact with a uucp host exactly as any other uucp
site does over the modem.

To use it you must, therefore, have a site to call, and that site
must give you a uucp login account and you must agree with the
postmaster there as to what your site name will be.

UUCP stands for Unix-to-Unix-CoPy, and is one of the most popular
and common (and thus one of the most useful) electronic mail
systems in use in the world today. A vast world of networking is
accessible to uucp/modem users who have compatible software through
existing links between many uucp machines and the internet, and
through the uucp mapping project which makes it possible for
connected sites to exchange mail with millions of computer users
all over the world.

This package includes user interface software to enable you to read
and write mail messages, along with uucico to conduct uucp sessions
with other uucp sites, and uux and uuxqt to sort and file both
inbound and outbound mail. Aliases, forward, paths, and signature
files may be created along with multiple user accounts for the
machine running DistNet version 5.

DistNet also includes utilities to facilitate exchanging other
files with direct uucp neighbours, as well as transferring files by
mail to those who are not direct uucp neighbours. All of these are
(to the best of our knowledge) wholly compatible with unix
systems.

The DOS user will encounter frequent 'unixisms' since this software
is essentially a subset of the capabilities unix users often take
for granted. The difference is, this runs on DOS, and thus contains
some 'DOSisms' which will strike the ear of the unix user as
unfamiliar.

Most of the central capabilities of uucp are accessible to the
DistNet user in a form fully compatible with common practice and
standards in use in the unix electronic mail world.

In addition this package contains a menu program which integrates
all the pieces into a user-friendly installation which requires
very little experience to operate.  The system configuration can be
inspected or altered through another menu program, accessible
through the main menu program or the command line such that the
user never need pay detailed attention to the inevitably complex"

I don't have a firm date for the actual release of their software
but if you need more information then I do recommend you talking to
Doug directly. He can be reached by the following means.

 UUCP: isishq!testsys!doug             DNS:  [e-mail]
 Voice: 613-722-4724                   Fido: Doug Thompson on 1:163/162
 POST: P.0. Box 3041, Stn C., Ottawa, K1Y 4J3, CANADA

Hope this rather long response (sorry I do get carried away with
myself) is helpful to you. Good luck in your quest - I have found
that there are a lot of good and very helpful people out here and I
am sure that you will shortly get all the answers you need.

Take Care,
        Rick Beetham



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> Could you tell me how you went about getting an internet
> address?

I'm not sure whether you mean an Internet address like this:

    [e-mail]

or one like this:

    141.193.1.1

In the case of the first, you have to find a mail forwarder
that is on the Internet.  Uunet is the most accessible.  If
you choose to open an account with uunet they will do the
paperwork to get you set up for free.  As a matter of fact,
I think uunet will process the paperwork for anyone for $35
or so, but if you don't connect with them you have to find
another mail forwarder.

In the case of the second, write to [e-mail]
and they will send you a form to fill out.  (You have to
have the first address before you can be assigned a
numerical IP address.)



--
Rick Farris  RF Engineering POB M Del Mar, CA 92014  voice [phone]
[e-mail]     ...!ucsd!serene!rfarris      serenity bbs 259-7757


From:    MX%"[e-mail]" 18-JAN-1991 15:32:08.56
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[e-mail] (Dave Cottingham) writes:

> It sure would be great if my PC at home were on the internet.  I'm
> sure this must be possible, since there are plenty of smallish
> businesses on the internet.  However, a perusal of the documents at
> nic.ddn.mil shows only how to launch a new network, which requires
> divine intervention from a government agency, and is definitely of a
> grander scale than what I have in mind.
 I'm sure it's pretty expensive. I have a internet address, but am
 actually just a UUCP node. This is what many companies do. I think for
 Internet access, you have to have a leased line, and pay charges to
 UUNet or whoever your provider is. It won't be cheap. It's much easier
 just to get an Internet adddress, but stay UUCP...
----
Greg Montgomery | Montgomery Consultants, Inc. | Atlanta, Georgia, U.S.A
Internet: [e-mail]                 | Home of the '96
UUCP: {rutgers,ogcise,gatech}!emory!turbo!greg | Olympics!


From:    MX%"railnet![e-mail]" 18-JAN-1991 18:41:58.79
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[e-mail] (Dave Cottingham) writes:

> It sure would be great if my PC at home were on the internet.  I'm
> sure this must be possible, since there are plenty of smallish
> businesses on the internet.  However, a perusal of the documents at
> nic.ddn.mil shows only how to launch a new network, which requires
> divine intervention from a government agency, and is definitely of a
> grander scale than what I have in mind.
>
If you have $30,000 to spare I think you will enjoy putting your home system
on the Internet.  On the other hand, if you want Usenet news and uucp mail,
you can run Waffle software ($30 to register the MS-DOS shareware version).
It works!

Check out newsgroup alt.bbs.waffle for more information.

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In article <[e-mail]> you write:
>It sure would be great if my PC at home were on the internet.  I'm
>sure this must be possible, since there are plenty of smallish
>businesses on the internet.  However, a perusal of the documents at
>nic.ddn.mil shows only how to launch a new network, which requires
>divine intervention from a government agency, and is definitely of a
>grander scale than what I have in mind.
>
>I'm hoping that someone out there who's done this can tell me how to
>go about getting assigned an internet address, and what kind of
>physical connection they use and to where, and just how massive a
>financial outlay is required.  (Software is another issue, but I was
>going to worry about that later.)
>
>If this turns out to be impossible, I figure I'll settle for news and
>mail via uucp.  I know one way to do this, which is to get in contact
>with one of the sites on the NIXPUB list.  If anybody knows a better
>way, I'd like to hear about it.
>
>And finally, if there is a more appropriate place to post this,
>please let me know.  (Intensive scrutiny of the list of active
>newgorups turned up none which really seemed right,  but these
>seemed slightly plausible.)
>
>Please mail replies to me, if there's interest I'll summarize.  Somewhere.
>
>Thanks,
>Dave Cottingham
>[e-mail]

You only need to do 2 things.  1) Get a copy of a uucp mailer/news reader
availiable for DOS.  I use FSUUCP which can be obtained from
wuarchive.wustl.edu or polyslo.calpoly.edu.  Its very easy to set up.
2) Get a local unix machine to give you a news feed.  I see your in the
Physics Dept at Berkeley (I did my undergrad there).  You should be able
to swing a news/mail UUCP account from one of the local machines.  I see that
max.berkeley.edu is a VMS system;so you might have to go over to EECS or
somebody that has a UNIX box somewhere.  After you have your account, you
just have to be registered with a local nameserver.  They place a record
in the nameserver tables that says that all mail to your home machine should
actually be sent to the UNIX box.  You then poll the UNIX box at your
leisure to get your mail.  I have a timer on my PC that picks up my mail
once a day while I'm asleep.  Hope this helps.

- John



From:    MX%"voder!nsc![e-mail]" 21-JAN-1991 19:44:38.50
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From: voder!nsc![e-mail] (Jerry Roe)
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In article <[e-mail]> you write:
>It sure would be great if my PC at home were on the internet.  I'm
>sure this must be possible, since there are plenty of smallish
>businesses on the internet.  However, a perusal of the documents at
>nic.ddn.mil shows only how to launch a new network, which requires
>divine intervention from a government agency, and is definitely of a
>grander scale than what I have in mind.

Dave,

I think you'll find it to cost a bit more than you want to spend.
Here at National we still don't have a "true" Internet connection; we're
just well-connected UUCP-wise and our Telebits get a good workout (we're
a news-feed site for a number of others)  {:^).  That's supposedly going
to change sometime this year, but it requires (unless the rules have
changed) an up-front $$ layout for some kind of network interface equip-
ment and then a dedicated line to your site (as in T1 or something
similar).  However, unless your goal is to have ftp access, it's not
much of a handicap because we do have an Internet domain name (nsc.com)
so mail, news, etc. works just fine.  You might be able to do the same.

Good luck.


Jerry Roe
National Semiconductor

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From: [e-mail] (Doug Sewell)
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Subject: Re: Q: how to make home PC an internet node?
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(note: this followup is only going to comp.misc)
A couple of ideas:
1. If I was running 2400-baud or less, I wouldn't run TCP/IP, I'd
   settle for UUCP.
   MS-DOS based programs for usenet news and e-mail are Waffle, fsuucp,
   and the soon-to-be-released fsbbs (I believe it's in beta).
   Waffle is a multiple-user system that can be configured as a bbs, or
   with separate user-names for husband/wife/each kid/etc.  I believe
   FSBBS has the same facilities.  FSUUCP is more single-user oriented,
   based on the docs I've read.  I'm looking into setting up Waffle.
   For more information, look in alt.bbs or alt.bbs.waffle.

2. To run TCP from home, you'll probably want to run some type of dial-up
   IP connection.  There are several MS-DOS TCP software packages that
   can use FTP Software's packet driver interface - KA9Q is probably
   what I'd pick for home use.  You need a 'packet driver' that speaks
   a protocol you can use - there's one for SLIP (serial-line IP) that
   will run with KA9Q.  PPP is a more-sophisticated dial-up protocol -
   I don't know much about it - and I don't know if there's a MS-DOS
   packet driver for it yet.  Check comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc for
   more information.

3. You need a site to connect to.  Sometimes universities or employers
   will offer this to you for free or a reasonable price.  Sites on the
   'nixpub' public-access unix lists may be able to set you up with a
   UUCP newsfeed/mail.

4. The easiest way to get a domain-name is to get one in the .us
   domain - there's no charge, you can fill out the application by
   e-mail.  You need to know what configuration you're using (TCP or
   UUCP) and have it somewhat-working before you can answer the
   questions.  I don't remember where you can ftp the information
   from, but if nothing else you can e-mail Ann Westine ([e-mail])
   and ask for information - Ann is the domain-coordinator for the .us
   domain.

   If your connection is uucp, you can go with the more-traditional
   7-or-less-characters.uucp site name.  In this case, your entry
   should go into the UUCP maps.

   The Waffle docs talk about getting a UUCP connection.  Some of the
   ideas would be equally applicable for TCP connections.

5. USR HST modems are not particularly good for UUCP use.  The Telebit
   Trailblazer seems to be the "standard" modem for high-speed UUCP
   connections.  I probably would choose a V.32 modem of some sorts,
   but all of this is based on discussions in alt.bbs.

Most of the software is available via anon FTP from wuarchive.wustl.edu -
look in /mirrors/msdos/bbs for waffle, /mirrors/msdos/uucp for fsuucp,
and /mirrors/msdos/ka9q-tcpip (I think - I'm doing this all from memory).

Hope this helps.

--
Doug Sewell, Tech Support, Computer Center,         [e-mail]
Youngstown State University, Youngstown,  OH 44555  [e-mail]
Blessed are the pessimists, for they have made backups.

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From: [e-mail] (Guy Helmer)
Newsgroups: comp.misc,comp.os.minix,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.unix.xenix.sco
Subject: Re: Q: how to make home PC an internet node?
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Alvin "the Chipmunk" Sylvain) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dave Cottingham) writes:
>> It sure would be great if my PC at home were on the internet.  I'm
>> sure this must be possible, since there are plenty of smallish
>> businesses on the internet.  However, a perusal of the documents at
>> nic.ddn.mil shows only how to launch a new network, which requires
>> divine intervention from a government agency, and is definitely of a
>> grander scale than what I have in mind.
>There is interest. [...]

Sites attached to the internet such that they send may send packets across
NSFnet or other parts of the federally funded internet must have some
relation to institutions or groups that are doing research under federal
funding or are educational institutions.  It's hard to find out exactly
where the line is drawn, but this could rule out home ip sites unless
one is involved with federal research or a university.  If you are
involved like this, it shouldn't be too hard to talk to your network
administration and find out details of how to connect remotely to
your IP net, if they will allow it.

Otherwise, you will have to either be rich or have a
real good reason to be on an IP net.  Two commercial internet
providers are UUNET Communications, which runs AlterNET, and PSI,
which runs PSInet.  These two providers give services which range from
9600 baud dialup to T1 (1.544Mbaud) dedicated IP service.  You can't
send packets from AlterNET or PSInet across NSFnet or the DDN
unless you, once again, are doing federal research or are involved
with a university.  This makes the AlterNET and PSInet services
good for connecting geographically separated portions of a company's
network, but poor for your average Joe at home that wants to
FTP stuff from NSFnet sites.  AlterNET and PSInet people will
help take care of the site setup and administration details, but
they get paid well to do that.

If we could just get the feds to change their restrictions on the
use of the NSF & other backbones...  1/2 :-)

Followups should probably go to email, since there isn't a usenet
group that discusses this subject.
--
More information that you couldn't have existed another day without, from:
Guy Helmer                       [e-mail], uunet!dsuvax!ghelmer
work: DSU Computing Services                                [phone]
play: MidIX System Support Services - Crufty Hacks 'R' Us   [phone]

From:    MX%"[e-mail]" 23-JAN-1991 09:39:37.67
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From: [e-mail] (Ben Deliduka)

One way to get an internet address for a PC at home, is to get a FIDO address
(look for local FIDO BBS's and check with them about getting an address)

after you have that, sent FIDO-NET Mail to 325/101 (James Pallack) and ask
him for the required programs, as he has such a gateway working here in
Vermont, and I have passed several files and such through that gateway to
and from work...

- Ben

From:    MX%"halcyon![e-mail]" 24-JAN-1991 23:40:39.36
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From: halcyon![e-mail] (Ralph Sims)
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[e-mail] (Dave Cottingham) writes:

> I'm hoping that someone out there who's done this can tell me how to
> go about getting assigned an internet address, and what kind of
> physical connection they use and to where, and just how massive a
> financial outlay is required.  (Software is another issue, but I was
> going to worry about that later.)

Send mail to [e-mail].  They operate a network that has direct
dialup internet addressing.  They are a tad pricey, but should
offer what you want.  They have a multitude of services, including
Usenet and email, sortof like uunet but geared more towards the
commercial end.

From:    MX%"<[e-mail]>" 15-JAN-1991 10:42:10.13
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[e-mail] (Dave Cottingham):
> I think having my PC at home be an internet node would be quite
> convenient.  I'm wondering if packet radio is a good (or legal) way of
> doing this.  If anyone is doing this, how do you get an internet
> address assigned to you?
>
> Please mail replies to me, if there's interest, I'll summarize.
>
> Thanks,
> Dave Cottingham
> [e-mail]

Dave,
  This has been covered on this net before (several times in the past 6 months
in fact).  The upshot has been that making a linkup so that a Ham can
telnet to you over internet and then use your station is legal and fine.
To have a ham read internet mail without going over the radio (i.e. a local
console on the internet computer) and then having that ham post those
articles he finds of interrest onto ham packet is legal and fine.  THe
questionable stuff is where a ham can log onto an internet machine via
packet and then play around out on the internet, including reading
mail and news.  That would not be legal unless ALL of the stuff that
he has access to is previewed by a ham.
Also, using ham for a link between two "internet" machines is not legal as
the traffic between the machines could have lots of non-ham traffic
across it.
  You might find the part 97 rules interresting to read.  I'm sure there's
a copy on the internet someplace.  (I hope there is).

The neat project would be to define a mod to the news header that internet
currently uses to include a 'read by a ham' spot that would include the
ham's callsign.  Then at your gateway between ham and internet you could
check for that semiphore and pass or not pass the traffic depending on it.
Hmmmm...

=8^)

From:    MX%"[e-mail]" 15-JAN-1991 11:21:35.86
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Hey There,

This question keeps popping up, along with the usual legality debate.   The
debate usually centers around the feasibility of filtering unwanted text
strings, business communications, etc.

The bottom line seems to be that it would be nigh impossible to automatically
monitor and filter all incoming traffic so to make it suitable for packet
radio.

I know ... our club had this idea about 5 years ago ...   it seems to pop up
on this board about every month or so.

73,
-Ivan   KB5BBD    [e-mail]


From:    MX%"xanadu![e-mail]" 16-JAN-1991 10:36:12.05
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In article <[e-mail]> you write:
>I think having my PC at home be an internet node would be quite
>convenient.  I'm wondering if packet radio is a good (or legal) way of
>doing this.  If anyone is doing this, how do you get an internet
>address assigned to you?
>
>Please mail replies to me, if there's interest, I'll summarize.
>
>Thanks,
>Dave Cottingham
>[e-mail]


People will tell you this is illegal.  Or at least that the persone providing
the packet/internet gateway would be open to the problem of passing traffic
on the air that might be illegal.  Anyhow, last night I monitored some tcpip
transmissions.  And the headers on the smtp packets were from amdahl.com.
So some folks are doing it.  Also the message talked about how wonderful
packet radio was and that there was gateways to the internet.  I just caught
this in trace mode.  If you hear any responses of folks doing this, please
let me know.

Jeff Crilly (N6ZFX)
AMIX Corporation  2345 Yale Street  Palo Alto, CA  94306
[e-mail], {uunet,sun}!markets!jeff, N6ZFX@N6IIU.#NOCAL.CA.USA

From:    MX%"[e-mail]" 19-JAN-1991 23:30:22.38
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From: "Mark Bramwell" <[e-mail]>
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To: [e-mail] (Dave Cottingham)
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Subject: In-Reply-To: Q: Is packet radio hookup to internet feasible?

My machine (this machine) is on the internet.  I work in the computer dept at
the local university and I simply assigned myself a non 44.x.x.x address,
otherwise known as a 'real' ip address.  Works great.  I can send/receive
internet mail, and I can also ftp to any ip address.  My address at home is
129.100.29.33

Legal?  Who knows,   ask me no questions, and I tell you no lies....

The only 'complaints' I have ever seen where from some hams who eventually
started doing the same thing.

I do not use the link for business,  I simply receive info-hams, info-packet,
and IBMPC-L via smtp.  The only legal issue is probally the un-attended
running of a packet station.

I feel that most people forget that it is only a hobby, to be enjoyed, and not
something to fight about at all times.

PS:   I am at 1200 baud now, but I just bought a pair of mfj 2400 TNCs.  Hope
to speed up the link.

Maybe next year, DSY modems for real speed!


> Date: 15 Jan 91 17:10:19 GMT
> From: [e-mail]  (Dave Cottingham)
> Subject: Q: Is packet radio hookup to internet feasible?
> To: [e-mail]
>
> I think having my PC at home be an internet node would be quite
> convenient.  I'm wondering if packet radio is a good (or legal) way of
> doing this.  If anyone is doing this, how do you get an internet
> address assigned to you?
>
> Please mail replies to me, if there's interest, I'll summarize.
>
> Thanks,
> Dave Cottingham
> [e-mail]
>
> ------------------------------
>
> End of Packet-Radio Digest
> ******************************
>



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